Curse

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 20, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

My new set I'd like to hear your comments to make it better or to help make it more effective in PvE.

Attibute Points
Marksmanship 11 (8+3)
Wilderness Survival 10 (7+3)
Beast Mastery 5 (4+1
Death Magic 10
Curse 10
(Have yet to find the quest that gives me the missing 15attribute points)

Skills
Ignite Arrows, Penetrating Shot, Troll Ungeant, Res Sig, Comfort Animal, Wither{elite}, Deathly Swarm, Charm Animal

Or not sure which is better

Apply Poisen, Penetrating Shot, Troll Ungeant, Res Sig, Comfort Animal, Faitheartedness, Deathly Swarm, Charm Animal

Other specs,
HP: 390/ Energy: 31 or 32

Armor:
Head: Mark +1 mask with Sup mark rune
Vest: 15k Druid's Vest
Pants: Drok's Druid's Pants
Gloves: Collector's Leather
Boots: 15k Druid's Boot
Weapon: Drago's Bow

DeanBB · Mar 20, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

You have zero Expertise to lower the cost of your skills! Not good. You are sinking a lot of attributes into 2 skills which really seems like a waste. If you want to use something from the necro side pick one attribute and put the other's points back into ranger attributes (expertise).

Do you find deathly swarm to be of any value? Just use Barrage if you want to attack groups. Or ignite + dual shot. And Wither, I'm not sure in PvE if monsters ever run out of energy, seems like you could use a much better elite. How about weaken armor + arrow attacks?

Do you find that using 2 superior runes (or is it 1 sup 1 major?) is good, with the lowered health? I would suggest picking 1 attribute and getting the mask + superior, or alternate masks with marksmanship, expertise, etc so you can swap them for different builds. Either way, get some hit points back.

Have you tried ranger interrupts yet?

Chaos Eryx · Mar 20, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Ignite Arrows = AoE = Enemies Running Around = Bad for Rangers - Hunter's Shot

Might want to look at Kindle Arrows instead

The Ranger is one of the most versatile toons in GW. There are standard builds that generally work well all around. However you should understand the area you are about to enter and create your build around that.

Entering and area that has a ton of Warriors? Why not take Plague Touch and give them back what they give you ie: Bleeding/Deep Wound and then tag em' with poison arrow for a huge degen. Faintheartedness works well with this type of build too.

Entering an area with lots of mobs who stick near each other? How about Barrage/Order of Pain/Enfeebling Blood/Unholy Feast for a quick regen of health with a +dmg effect.

My Standard Builds

Degen R/N
Troll
Posion Arrow
Hunter's Shot
Determined Shot
Savage Shot
Whirling Defense
Enfeebling Blood
Rez Sig

Interupt R/N (or R/Me Skills change slightly)
Mark of Subversion
Punishing Shot
Distracting Shot
Savage Shot
Troll
Whirling
Favorable Winds
Rez Sig

Barrage R/E (Need bow with Elemental String)
Conjure Flame/Frost/Lightning
Barrage
Distracting Shot
Savage Shot
Troll
Whirling
Flame Burst (in case someone wants to get close)
Rez Sig

These are 3 builds I run quite frequently but maybe with small tweaks for certain missions or areas. Your build should change as your situation does. Farming builds you must survive on your own unless trap farming UW or whatever. Mission builds vary when you enter a PUG vs a group of friends. In the end it's all about what works for you.

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 21, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Thanks for the tips and ideas, while I was sitting around on Guildwiki and scanning the different skill types for both Ranger and Necromancer I came up with this skill set. First yes Deathly Swarm is a very useful skill when used in a combo. Barrage is crap, over used, and can not be powered up. Here is a fun combo Ignite Arrows, Poison Shot, Deathly Swarm. This small chain which will cost a nice 25 energy will do massive damage. Far as interrupts and trappers I won't use them I hate using builds that are largely used and takes away all unique feel of the character.

Build Name: Darkwood Hunter

Skills

Ignite Arrows, Penetrating Shot, Troll Ungeaunt, Res Sig, Spiteful Spirit, Faithheartedness, Comfort Animal, Charm Animal.

Ok I know that Spiteful Spirit cost a whopping 15 energy which is half of Ranger's energy pool, yet one has to admit it deals massive damage to the enemy no matter if they are spellcaster or meele fighter. Then ofcourse my skills all cost 10 except troll. With the removed Death spells I can take all the attribute point from it max Curses and put a few points in Expertise. Far as how the skills will be set I'm not sure yet sence I can't paly again till April 1 due to school. Penetrating Shot drill damage in and ignite spread it nicely. Apply Poisen isn't always useful, I don't go fo skills unless they will be of use always. My pet (a wolf) can take more damage then me which I can use as a tank in solo farming. Res Sig I carry always unless I am farming solo the I grab Storm Chaser. When I get home I'll test Kindel Arrows and see how it plays out. I may may take one of the Sups and switch it with a Major, ok anyone got ideas for attribute point spending or comments on the new ideas.

nomed · Mar 21, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Leon_Ux-ixen

I hate using builds that are largely used and takes away all unique feel of the character.

They are largely used for a reason, because they are good. Being unique in this game means, in most cases, being worse than others.
And your build just won't work. You'll run out of energy and die. If you combine a ranger with mage classes, it only works with cheap skills or skills that are effected by expertise. You have to have a basic idea of how you want to kill the enemy, just throwing together good skills doesn't work.
Although if your pet survives solo tanking the monsters can't be very strong and probably every build will work for that area.

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 21, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by nomed

They are largely used for a reason, because they are good. Being unique in this game means, in most cases, being worse than others.

Sorry to tell you but that isn't true, I prefer to find builds or skills types that will over power the over used ones. Like Diablo the Barbs, and Sorcs are over used due to thier uber strength so what I simply did was max Zeal and Salvation. This will tear any Sorc even hacks ones a new one. Barbs are simple have zeal with lot of poisen and life steal rings, amulets, and a weapon.

My idea was the drill in damage point incase Penetrating Shot, Apply Poisen cost to much to bother and poisen doesn't effect all so theres a 50% chance you will go into something new without an effective damage +. Kindel Arrows looks promiseing which is way I'm switching. Spiteful Spirit will make my enemies pay three fold for hitting add that with troll, and faithheartedness and i'm set to go. My wolf can survive in Sorrow so i'm sure UW and FoW will be fine. (When I get there T_T) Far Expertise I am planing to put points in there so read before saying something won't work. Better yet trying something random and see how it hold agaisnt the "good" builds. When one ask comments they would like to see constructive ideas not ones saying "It won't work becuase..." Thank you and have a nice day.

Another reason I don't like them is because unless you use on of them you play heck trying to get a group for Sorrow farming and high level areas O_o. I mean being a Ranger is hard enough but serisouly it gets alittle annoying or sad when you see the same thing over and over gain. "5MAN ORO FARMING GLF HEALER, BONDER, MM, TANK." Come on people try some new let broden the horizen just a little, it doesn't kill. If you die then wow 15-20mins gne on a good try and you still got a few items.

nomed · Mar 21, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Even if you put points in expertise, it doesn't work for ALL spells, in fact for none of the other-class spells you put in there. They will still be at full cost.

Seeing as you really seem to know the game, I wanna see one of your over-power-over-used-builds builds, that will be fun. Lol.

It's not me who needs to read your posts, it's you who needs to stop stirring bull. You should thank me for saving you the time you would spend trying out that pathetic build instead of crying about how my post is so not useful.

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 21, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Ignorant, and close minded in every aspect of the word. Why do I get all the smart people? Ok first off your not being of any use which I'm sure an admin would agree. Its sad how when one person makes a good build and every one wants to use it. You all are like high school kids fallowing a thread. I personaly like to show players that those few builds arn't the only ones that work out and that way there are more variies of players then juts MM's, Spikers, Tank ect. If the players close themselves off to the potenail ideas then you might as well have classes with set abilites. Far as energy in my second post I made a comemnt about it I am well aware that energy can be a problem. But upon close review of the skills and what the set is meant to do one will find manageing the base energy of 31 can be done easily. Oh and I have tested my builds and found them to be more effective then the trappers, the interrupts are alright. Far as energy in my second post I made a comemnt about it I am well aware that energy can be a problem. But upon close review of the skills and what the set is meant to do one will find manageing the base energy of 31 can be done easily. But one person's idea of effective is different from another that you seem to forget. Theres where the ignorence comes into play. You don't even consider any possbilities or situations that build could be you just say from the skill set that the energy cost will kill it, theres the closed minded part. Ok review your first post which I have posted for you.

They are largely used for a reason, because they are good. Being unique in this game means, in most cases, being worse than others.
And your build just won't work. You'll run out of energy and die. If you combine a ranger with mage classes, it only works with cheap skills or skills that are effected by expertise. You have to have a basic idea of how you want to kill the enemy, just throwing together good skills doesn't work.
Although if your pet survives solo tanking the monsters can't be very strong and probably every build will work for that area.

This right here offers no tips or ideas on how to improve thus isn't helping if anything it is an insult to me and my playing abilites. These type of posts are not meant to be posted or atleast the admin would ask you not too. If an admin does come here I felt that I had to make my point and get things settled. sorry if I broke any rules. Oh Nomad sorry for haveing to type those things about you but relization helps.

ZennZero · Mar 21, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

It's "Ignorant" - Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 21, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Lol acursed typos. *kicks self* Oh Chaos thanks for the build ideas I think i'll try this one out it seems fun.

Posion Arrow
Hunter's Shot
Determined Shot
Savage Shot
Whirling Defense
Enfeebling Blood
Rez Sig

wsmcasey · Mar 21, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Your set up as a jack of all trades and master of none. Points are spread to thin.

I know your trying to be unique, and I've tried every profession as a secondary, but I keep coming back to all ranger skills on my bar and dropping my secondary most of the time.

expertise is your best friend, use it.

My 3 main builds:
Max Marksmanship w/expertise for spiking. use read the wind and fav winds for prep w/vamp bow.

Max wilderness survival w/expertise for poison arrow elite. try and use a bow with lower req 9 or less and meet that requirement in marks. use kindle arrow for prep.

Max wilderness survival w/expertise for traps using all 4 traps available. No points required for marksmanships. use a +15 energy staff and serpents quickness. sq can be dropped for spirits if in a trapper group.

I'm not including much detail I know, but these common builds are available in the ranger build section. Hope this helps.

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 21, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I noticed that little issue to but I will take all this and try tpo see what will work. I want to sue necromancer's spiteful Spirit because i love returing damage inany game and like draining there health and wait for them to come at me. Better yet

Btw I got Drago's Flat.

Kindel Arrows
Pin Down
Troll Ungeant
Penetrating Shot
Spitefull Spirit or Poisen Shot
Faithhearted
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

How does this work?

nomed · Mar 21, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Have yet to find the quest that gives me the missing 15attribute points

How could someone who doesn't even know and play the game possibly make any builds that come close to the standard-builds? No need to answer as we all know it and your first post here is the proof that your builds must suck.

I totally accept that you come here to ask for help, but telling us that your builds cut it is ridiculous and when I offer you help saying that your build won't work, you should just accept it.

Quote:

Far as how the skills will be set I'm not sure yet sence I can't paly again till April 1 due to school.

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Oh and I have tested my builds and found them to be more effective then the trappers

Do I smell more bull, or did your parents let you play to test them when you told them that someone is arguing your reliability on a forum?

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 21, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Some people don't know when to quit. Let me say sorry for not being more accurate with my informaiton. First off the current build I posted is in use. Spitefull Spirit I wanted to add so I placed it in my current build and ask what did you think. Far as the last 15 points its not about not knowing how to play because I beat the game before I had to come back to campus. The issue with that is I just haven't found the one quest I need forgive me for not spending all my for time to play looking for the last one. Far as test no that is impossible at the momment I haven't test the common sets and found them not to my liking. I'm sorry if my failure to be more accurate has been the source of all this garbage. Laslty you cannot out right say one thing sucks without first trying it for yourself there once again is your ignorance and close mindeness getting the better of you. Though Isuppose it all depends on how one looks upon it.

nomed · Mar 21, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

I am deeply sorry.
I spent 1000 gold to get rid of my own ignorance and close-mindedness, went to get Spiteful Spirit and tried your build. The result is this: it sucks. How surprising.

holden · Mar 21, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Leon_Ux-ixen

Laslty you cannot out right say one thing sucks without first trying it for yourself there once again is your ignorance and close mindeness getting the better of you.

bro. you had nothing in expertise. nothing. that build sucks. even a touch ranger needs expertise.

Batou of Nine · Mar 22, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

ok. Despite all the childish flaming that the OP is receiving, the fact is those people are correct.

@Leon_Ux-ixen::
You initially were spreading your attributes WAY too thin, making every skill only about half as effective as they should be. Second, when you are using 2 attributes of your second proffesion, yet only one skill from each attribute, it spreads the points too thin making each of those skills quite useless. Take people's advice, concentrate on only one secondary attribute if you must. Third, with no expertise, your attack skills WILL drain you of energy quite fast. Whether it be PvE or PvP, you would be incredibly ineffective when your energy constantly hits zero.

If uniqueness is a major concern of yours, take this advice: Rethink your build, you can easily be unique AND effective at the same time. I hope my words will help you think about it some more. As for all teh flames and childish ranting that has been posted here. Thats their problem, dont let it get to ya!

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 22, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

After some time away from a computer I was able to think. (which I do to much of >_<) I looked over the posts and found that I had missed the tips and advice that were in the posts. I should have considered what was being said and not taking offense. So before anything else, I apologize to you Nomad you are right the energy cost will kill me. I acted very childish for my age, the worse part over a game. Far as my build goes it doesn't deal enough damage to really go that far so I will change it. I'll try to work Spiteful Spirit in another build idea which I'll post but if I find it won't work ohwell. Heck theres like what over 200skills between the two proffesions O_o. Though my main issue is the skills I like to use I can never find a build to work them in perhaps you guys can throw something togather. I know I have been a major donkey and I'm sorry not like me to be I swear. If you guys are willing to help me I would be most grateful.

Favorite Ranger Skills
Penetrating Shot
Poisen Shot{Elite}
Pet and Pet Heal
Ignite Arrows
Healing Spring
Storm Chaser

Favortie Necromancer Skills
Deathly Swarm
Wither{elite}
Faithheartedness
Putrid explosion.
Spiteful Spirit (Can't say a favorite but really want to test it)

I only got 185attribute points I have done the Crystal Desert quest that gives you 15 but haven't found the other one yet.

Asrial · Mar 22, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Leon_Ux-ixen

I looked over the posts and found that I had missed the tips and advice that were in the posts.

It's easy to do with most people because they don't know how to present their advice in a manner that can be discussed.

"It sucks. Do this." - bad

"I don't recommend it. This is why." - good

"I don't recommend it. This is why. This is what I recommend." - best

..but..

Majority of people don't want to take the time to really discuss something. They just want the quick fix of feeling superior.

Poison Ivy · Mar 22, 2006, 10:10 AM // 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asrial

It's easy to do with most people because they don't know how to present their advice in a manner that can be discussed.

"It sucks. Do this." - bad

"I don't recommend it. This is why." - good

"I don't recommend it. This is why. This is what I recommend." - best

..but..

Majority of people don't want to take the time to really discuss something. They just want the quick fix of feeling superior.

*Clap clap clap*